Agathis and bass wood are easy to machine, hard woods like Alder and Mahagony are harder to machine, in a Strat there is a lot of machining involved so a softer wood make life easier for the manufacturer, however the guitars wont hold up as long for the user IMO, which is why you see so many starter guitars made of Agathis and Basswood. reply; Steve. Also known as “kauri” or “dammar,” Agathis is a genus of 21 species of evergreen trees in the family of conifers (pines) that grow in the southern hemisphere. It looks good with a sunburst or a solid color finish. That has to be Alder Agathis looks nothing like that. Agathis has a poor reputation that stems mostly from its use in low quality instruments manufactured in the Far East. Nato/poplar/alder: this is tough to understand. Agathis said to be "Commercial Grade Mahogany" BS? In fact, nato is sometimes referred to as “oriental mahogany.” A wood widely used in Japan for quality musical instruments. The tone is somewhere between the warmth of mahogany and the “pop” of alder. For the money - hard to beat. Which one sounds better? Another factor that influences sound is whether the wood used in your instrument is constructed from solid pieces of wood or from wood laminate. Its relatively inexpensive of all the usual guitar woods, and it’s easy on router bits in the factory, easy to sand, and easy to seal and finish. tone forum. Remmeber that alder and ash were chosen by Leo first and foremost because they were cheap and widely available, not for their sonic properties. Alder's natural color is a light tan with little or no distinct grain lines. In musical instruments, it is used primarily for guitar bodies. I made several speaker cabinets out of poplar and after the finish yellows, it looks like any other hardwood. That said, “agathis” makes my stomach turn in knots. Either way, RW looks nicer up close, IMO. And what are the advantages or tonal quality characteristics of Agathis vs. Alder vs. Poplar, guitar bodies?? The guiatrs i have now 2 x '62 Strat reissues (both of course rswd slab) MIJ and CIJ, and a '57 Strat maple neck one peice CIJ, plus some others. Just hearing a bass made of agathis makes me feel sick (and yes, I … Just look at basswood. It is often considered the low-cost substitute for other tone woods such as ash and alder as well. I'm gonna play a few more and get something eventually. Ash: exhibits a "snappier" tone with a bright edge, but with a warm bass and long sustain. Although classified as a hardwood, alder is one of the softest of all hardwoods and is more commonly referred to as a semi-hardwood. I think what you will find in the FIB forum, and from my own personal bag of recommendations, is to purchase a used Fender Mexican Strat, rather than a brand new Squier. my favourite woods so far, that i´ve owned myself, have been Poplar and Alder. It is often called the poor man's mahogany. Seen a guitar I liked recently made of Agathis, with a Maple Veneer, and Rosewood Fretboard. The Agathis vs. Alder body is a non-issue IMO. Alder is a tree that grows in medium, temperate climates with a lot of moisture. Agathis and bass wood are easy to machine, hard woods like Alder and Mahagony are harder to machine, in a Strat there is a lot of machining involved so a softer wood make life easier for the manufacturer, however the guitars wont hold up as long for the user IMO, which is why you see so many starter guitars made of Agathis and Basswood. There's good alder and there's bad alder. [This message was edited by Bob Watson on 13 January 2004 at 02:29 PM. Alder on the other hand is usually very consistent as far as its weight is concerned from piece to piece. Top loader bridge on the Affinity, with the strings fed through the lip of the bridge plate While many (rightly) consider agathis inferior to maple, the quality of the maple on … ], [This message was edited by Chris Lasher on 06 January 2004 at 03:55 PM.]. Pao Ferro vs Rosewood: Rosewood is darker, more traditional, but feels very similar to Pao Ferro. I would've thought that it was basic knowledge to understand that organic materials such as pieces of wood will vary even though they are the same species. But going up to better pickups (112v) really will make a difference. editing to add that i don´t really think basswood is a bad tonewood, it´s just got it´s own tone that is as love/hate as any other wood. The nato is used today for the new Squier Stratocaster Classic Vibe 60’s. )IMHO, The hard tails claim to stay in tune and sustain better. One thing that has been niggling at me brain for the last few weeks is. 2006.05.09 15:52 #2. Example - Moisture Content in Wood - Summer vs. Winter. Unfortunately i don't think a lot of people take this into account. Basswood: Basswood is a soft wood with tight grains. Since my pricepoint was 200€ and the 112V is already above, would it be such a noticeable difference in quality between both? If you’re as pedantic as I am, it won’t take much effort to keep this little Bronco safe and sound. The quality of the components is typically better, and that makes for an overall more satisfying instrument to play. http://www.squierguitars.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2235, http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?node_id=2460, USA Custom Guitar's wood descriptions page, http://www.music123.com/search/?src=robert+cray&search_combo=es, http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?partno=0117432. Yeah i've heard before that in the USA Alder is a cheap wood, but i just didn't knew that it was that much cheap. alder is better, but i'm not sure how agathis sounds. All are welcome, from seasoned pros to absolute beginners. So really, alder and basswood both have characteristics that you'll want. Las Palmas Norte likes this. Hardwoods have leaves-oak,poplar,alder,ash,etc. Its highs sizzle slightly, but are rarely harsh, and it offers a decent amount of sustain. But IMO the feel is SLIGHTLY more hard than rosewood. My favorite local guitar player liked his Squire better than his Burton. soalnya agathis itu kayu yg paling murah, ya tau sendiri, harga= kualitas. This action was taken to minimize potential exposure to the COVID 19 virus by all citizens and retard the exponential spread of the virus seen in many other countries. The quality is more important. I absolutely love good Stratocasters! Classic country shuffle styles for Band-in-a-Box, by BIAB guru Jim Baron. It has been my experience that guitars with agathis under the 500-600$ price point just suck tone-wise. When Squier started producing all those P-basses with agathis bodies, instead of Alder, I gave 'em a twirl and was very disapointed in the bass' tones. There's a certain sweetness that alder (even cheap alder and poplar) and ash give you that basswood and agathis just can't match, or even come close. http://www.youtube.com/user/timmy47?feature=mhee. Great we site. 's: Pete Burak Member . Ash vs. Alder: What's the Difference? it´s got a bright, yet deep sound. By null. From what I found, the fat strat was the only Affinity with an alder body, but I may be wrong. Alder is a good quality sounding wood, quite bright. Get the facts on Fender guitar body woods. It's made of ash and has a better finish than ALL of the American mades that I tried. Well the affinity series is the budget guitar from squire but I have one and it plays asgood as any Fender product its just its a bit heavier and cheaper, but I feel tht agathis wood feels brittle. It’s also described as quite soft, softer than alder and possibly even softer than basswood. Hey Pete, there are basically 2 types of wood, hard and soft. If you can hear a difference your ears are better than mine. [This message was edited by Alvin Blaine on 06 January 2004 at 11:25 AM. Get the facts on Fender guitar body woods. When you’re looking over the specs of a Fender electric guitar or bass, one of the first things you’ll see listed is the kind of wood the body is made of. Same goes for guitars. Agathis is a cheaper wood and used for cheaper instruments. Replacing the Alder, a … Either way, RW looks nicer up close, IMO. Is this just a fancy name for "Pine"? I've found that rubbing some lemon oil into the PF fretboard helps to darken it. Some opinions say "like mahogany", others say "comparable to alder". Agathis just doesn't have any character, it's quite playable but needs some fancy EQ to sound really good. it´s got a bright, yet deep sound. Good tone for what it is, but not my particular taste. Thanks in advance for sharing any insight you may have!Pete B. I don't know how it sounds for guitars, but more of the low-end instruments are using it.Just go play one and if you like the way it sounds then go for it.The first Fender Esquire's were made out of pine then they changed to ash. Some are little strips only 1" wide. Poplar is similar to Alder but with green color. By null. It is often considered as the other "traditional" Stratocaster body wood. Re: Basswood vs Agathis Agathis has similar tonal properties to mahogany. Alder and Mahogany woods can take quite a beating which adds that roadworn character, but Agathis has the potential to break in half or show up massive dings if abused badly. Look at all the good basswood guitar players: Satch, Vai, Gilbert, Van Halen, Petrucci. The DD should sound just fine in your JP50. Which essentially seems to be better wood in the construction of the guitar. Im tempted to put a set of EMGs I have in it as they dont seem to be so sensative to the wood used. Agathis is most definately not plywood - it's some sort of tropic pine type tree. I want to see and hear it. It really is a puzzle. Alder: full and rich, with fat low-end, nice cutting mids, and good overall warmth and sustain.Alder is generally considered to be one of the "traditional" Stratocaster body woods. Although classified as a hardwood, alder is one of the softest of all hardwoods and is more commonly referred to as a semi-hardwood. Like Alder, it’s another wood with a hard skeleton and soft meat. Basswood sits in between mahogany and alder. If they feel and sound great, just play them more (through a good amp) and see which sounds better to you. Affinity series is actually alder. Pao Ferro vs Rosewood: Rosewood is darker, more traditional, but feels very similar to Pao Ferro. I would take a good agathis body over a poor alder body any day. Alder's natural color is a light tan with little or no distinct grain lines. That has to be Alder Agathis looks nothing like that. From: Somewhere between Camden County , NC and Saluda S.C. [This message was edited by John Floyd on 12 January 2004 at 11:37 PM.]. Its closed grain makes this wood easy to finish. Squire doesn't have great quality control, so you could get a good or bad piece of agathis since they're not used in any other guitars. [This message was edited by Chris Lasher on 06 January 2004 at 03:55 PM. I am being tempted to fit a swamp ash body to my new guitar but maybe I should leave well alone! What Kind of Wood Is Alder?. http://www.music123.com/search/?src=robert+cray&search_combo=es http://www.fender.com/gear/gear.php?partno=0117432. Why on earth, does the standard series, which cost more than the affinity series, have an agathis body while the affinity series have alder? A guy I've been working with lately got a "Carvin Kit" "Strat type" rig. Best of luck in your Strat-hunting. Alder: full and rich, with fat low-end, nice cutting mids, and good overall warmth and sustain.Alder is generally considered to be one of the "traditional" Stratocaster body woods. Basically the stuff they use in squiers is the lower grade stuff, and is not necessarily any better than the agathis they use - just different. i found two squier strats at my local guitar shop that are cheap as dirt and both play and sound great . Also note that we’ve not yet included all the woods from the last chart listed; those will be inserted below soon. The big difference is an alder MIA guitar is gonna be 2 or 3 large pieces of alder, vs the squire alder which is gonna be many smaller scrap pieces. The Janka hardness test measures the lb/in2 required to embed a .444-inch steel ball to half its diameter in wood. On March 25, 2020, Gov. Alder is also used in Stratocaster guitar construction, a brand known for being top of the line. Agathis is a low cost alternative to Maple, with a fast attack/decay and a fairly balanced sound. kalau saya sendiri, kalau bisa menghindari agathis, minimal mahogany atau alder. my favourite woods so far, that i´ve owned myself, have been Poplar and Alder. Guitar Wood Types & Tones FAQ by Frank Falbo for jemsite.com » Discuss on the forum here last updated 3/8/2004 Body Woods. Ash: exhibits a "snappier" tone with a bright edge, but with a warm bass and long sustain. Its relatively inexpensive of all the usual guitar woods, and it’s easy on router bits in the factory, easy to sand, and easy to seal and finish. Remmeber that alder and ash were chosen by Leo first and foremost because they were cheap and widely available, not for their sonic properties. ], Note: Messages not explicitly copyrighted are in the Public Domain. People often describe the sound as dull. People often describe the sound as dull. The Fender Custom Shop's Mike Eldred talks about different types of tone woods and how the properties effect the overall outcome of an instrument. Great weight, “okay” tone. F Luthier, Jul 7, 2018 #7. Check out this comparison between two Strats! Jared Polis ordered all non-critical businesses in the state of Colorado to temporarily close and all owners and employees to "shelter in place" (stay at home). disitu saya pernah nemu tabel karakter kayu. Agathis is a low quality sounding wood, inferior to Mahogany. It's not as hard to get as ash or mahogany, so it's the most common quality wood for 3-pickup single-coils (after the cheap chinese basswood and agathis junk guitars that the kids like nowadays). It is often considered as the other "traditional" Stratocaster body wood. My point is, the rosewood fretbrds are tonally distinct from the maple by a large margin, and its not so much the Basewood bodied '62s vs ash/alder … F Luthier, Jul 7, 2018. It is often called the poor man's mahogany. If you can hear a difference your ears are better than mine. Slightly brownish in its natural, dried state, alder’s grain isn’t necessarily unattractive, but it usually isn’t particularly interesting, either. I haven't seen one in person yet but they have a used Robert Cray at GC that I will check out this week. Yeah i've heard before that in the USA Alder is a cheap wood, but i just didn't knew that it was that much cheap. basswood is a bit more mushy. I carried a cheap Yamaha for years as my spare guitar - loved it. The nato is used today for the new Squier Stratocaster Classic Vibe 60’s. Jared Polis ordered all non-critical businesses in the state of Colorado to temporarily close and all owners and employees to "shelter in place" (stay at home). Basswood sits in between mahogany and alder. The Standard also has a non-traditional agathis body vs the more typical alder body on the Affinity. Solid vs Laminate. F Luthier, Jul 7, 2018 #7. When you’re looking over the specs of a Fender electric guitar or bass, one of the first things you’ll see listed is the kind of wood the body is made of. Right: Kala KA-ASOV-C Solid Spruce top concert ukulele with solid Ovangkol back and sides. FWIW, I have found that I prefer the tone of the Fat Strat guit's, that have the humbucker in the bridge position.Also, I'll probably be blocking the tremolo so it won't budge, so that's not a concern (I see some of them tout a Floyd Rose system). The alder is much brighter with much clearer 'bell' tone on the treble strings. Thanks. Seems to have a slightly airier tone to my ears than Mahogany, as I own a couple of Mahogany bodied guitars. He's the most knowledgeable guy I know about tele/strats, and what's what nowadays. The guiatrs i have now 2 x '62 Strat reissues (both of course rswd slab) MIJ and CIJ, and a '57 Strat maple neck one peice CIJ, plus some others. Thanks Jim, Very interesting stuff that tonosity But good basswood is great. Alder is a tree that grows in medium, temperate climates with a lot of moisture. Take a listen to see if they sound different! I had a few bucks and went looking for an American made Strat..after playing the Pro Tone awhile I couldn't put it down. Guitar Wood Types & Tones FAQ by Frank Falbo for jemsite.com » Discuss on the forum here last updated 3/8/2004 Body Woods. (Sounds more like a Tele in the bridge position than my Tele does! As far as price goes, I haven't noticed a huge difference in the price of basswood vs. alder, (cheap) mahogany, (cheap) ash, or maple but that might just be the way prices are here. The pickups on the 112V were upgraded, they are better too. Agathis does however need a little loving care and attention. The wood species really doesn't matter as much as people think. It's the same for agathis, it's cheap so it's mainly used for entry-level guitars, but that does not mean it is inferior to more popular woods, tone-wise. The same goes for pieces of wood such as alder. ? One is Alder/Rosewood and one is Basswood/Maple. I have an all mahogany Gibson MM, an alder and a mahogany carvin, and play out every week with an alder nashville tele. Agathis bodies are known for sounding a bit dull in comparison. Left: Makala MK-T Tenor Ukulele with Agathis body, back and sides. ... Poplar is used on many inexpensive guitars, often as ‘body wings’ for neck-thru Vs and the like, but there are also much finer, higher-quality, higher-priced examples. Poplar is similar to Alder but with green color. Basswood: Basswood is a soft wood with tight grains. editing to add that i don´t really think basswood is a bad tonewood, it´s just got it´s own tone that is as love/hate as any other wood. Las Palmas Norte likes this. Alder – Rich and full, Alder is strong in the lower midrange. Just hearing a bass made of agathis makes me feel sick (and yes, I … From: Portland, OR USA: posted 06 January 2004 10:46 AM profile Hey Gang, So what's the deal with Agathis? It will have a different tone, but since when is different bad? Nato/poplar/alder: this is tough to understand. Great weight, “okay” tone. Agathis has a poor reputation that stems mostly from its use in low quality instruments manufactured in the Far East. So in a solid body, it will produce tremendous resonant, open midrange, while retaining high frequency attack, and having good low end breath. Agathis sounds dull, listless and boring to me. Las Palmas Norte. I did some reading: Agathis is like very plain mahogany, and Basswood is like very plain Alder. For the money - hard to beat. It is an easily worked wood, with characterics somewhat similar to alder. I've found that rubbing some lemon oil into the PF fretboard helps to darken it. Agathis is a cheaper wood and used for cheaper instruments. 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